A cafe-like atmosphere for the discussion of hardboiled detective / noir crime fiction in print (e.g., novels, biographies, essays, graphic novels, etc.) or on the silver screen / TV. Open to fans and authors of the genre ... anyone interested in hardboiled / noir is welcome. So if you love (or just like): Raymond Chandler, Dashiell Hammett, James M. Cain, James Ellroy, Chester Himes, Elmore Leonard, Ross Macdonald, Jim Thompson, Vicki Hendricks, Andrew Vachss, Cornell Woolrich, Lauren Henderson, Robert Andrews, George P. Pelecanos, Loren Estleman ... to name a very few ... come and join us, we're a relatively new list covering where Dorothy-L is too timid to go and where Rara-Avis leaves off.

We don't always limit ourselves to the topic. If the discussion grows and goes beyond the bounds of the list there's no need to get antsy, it ain't a problem. Rants and raves as well as other passionate discourse is welcome. Those who prefer personal attacks over intelligent conversation and those with control issues will be shown the door.