Nice piece, Jim! I have some questions though: This method you use to structure your specifications/tests, as in parse.html in the Fit library, does it not...
Hi Denis, ... Great. I'm puzzled about how developers still exhibit "push to QA" behaviour... Can you tell us a story or two about that? What do they do or...
Hi, Dadi, ... I see your point and I would certainly do this if I felt I were writing tests. In this case, though, the testing aspect, while still important, ...
Hi, Dan, ... I would suggest using NUnit to test everything that you as programmers feel should be tested. I don't see Fit as a testing tool. I use Fit to...
... Not wanting to tell you your own mind, but I suspect that if you thought about it, you wouldn't see NUnit as a testing tool either. I'd contend that Fit...
... Well, lets make that two crosses ;) I actually think it is possible to do story testing for developing the GUI. The trick is to just focus on the...
... I must say I beg to differ here. Although I completely agree with your assessment that Fit and xUnit are specification tools, for different contexts, I do...
Hi Jim, Thank you very much for the response. Fit seems to have it's place where the scenarios get more complicated and NUnit reaches its limits. Like maybe...
... I think that perhaps I should have said TDD is a specification process rather than xUnit is a specification tool. xUnit tools can of course be used for...
... And, as Dadi points out, xUnit supports the automated verification of TDD specifications, allowing them to also function as automated unit tests for any...
... I've generally operated this same way, but I've been having some second thoughts. I was going to just respond here, but it got somewhat verbose so I posted...
... I've generally operated this same way, but I've been having some second thoughts. I was going to just respond here, but it got somewhat verbose so I posted...
... John - I appreciate the notion of keeping things separate. I don't want the customer changing tables that *I'm* using as *programmer tests*. So that's a...
My 2 cents (or at least how we treat it) are that the details of your MVP, subsequent DAOs, and any of the other little individual things it must do are...
A couple of keys for me on this topic are 1) no story is done unless it passes its acceptance tests (QA tests) and 2) strive for a very high level of...
I guess I would suggest that if you _are_ finding significant issues either towards the end of an iteration (or worse after the iteration) that another ...
... Actually I have seen this often in environments where you develop for the Mainframe. This is something that can sometimes be overcome by using simulators...
We're building an Excel interface to one of our products. Nearly all of the functionality in our application that will be required by/driven by Excel is...
... Hi David, I have no problem, in principle, in using Fit for unit tests and JUnit for storytests. It depends on the abilities of the human readers and the ...
Yes, I think they're just tackling different levels of the system. With good tool support, I could image using Fit for all my unit testing as well. I look...
Hi David, Yes, I agree with your point of view and have seen it work very well in practice. With calculation rules like your validation table, it makes much...
... [snip] ... They are a very unique company with an unusual management structure that makes this somewhat understandable, but I would be surprised if many...
I was just wondering if anybody had any other ... Using ruby to drive excel though the WIN32OLE package. http://www.rubygarden.org/ruby?ScriptingExcel Have...
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... Now I'm really interested. I visited a pretty unique company once with an unusual management structure. Did this company happen to be on the east coast of...
... To take care of that, you put in place a SWATT team. This way, you still have new stories being implemented, and your SWATT team keeps the feedback loop a...
... That's certainly one way. I would not suggest that approach for code that is not yet released to the wild, and perhaps not even then. Ron Jeffries ...
