I am not sure how many list members have read Elaine Pagels newest book, "Beyond Belief", but I would have expected that a bit of discussion might have...
... Jay Raskin showed recently that Irenaios is just a mouthpiece of Tertullian, who forged the New Testament. Joseph Turmel figured that John's is of...
... Tertullian, who forged the New Testament. Joseph Turmel figured that John's is of docetic/dualist origin and got later catholisised, the editors claiming...
In a message dated 06/06/2003 2:03:03AM, pessy@... writes: << Pessy writes Jay Raskin showed recently that Irenaios is just a mouthpiece of Tertullian,...
Dave Hindley asks about Tertullian.... We must consider that Tertullian had a change of heart and changed from orthodox to gnostic. Therefor it is possible...
... orthodox to gnostic. Therefor it is possible that much of what Tertullian presented will be very different at different times.<< Actually, he became a...
... (snip, snip ....) ... date and ... dependent ... arguing ... ... Maurice I am not sure (I would have to reread the text) that the author is arguing "for"...
... Barsabbas? Well, at any rate, the range of meanings of the Greek loan-word 'ophelei' used in Th53 doesn't seem to have included 'necessary'. Typically, it...
Dear Mike, list I read Beyond Belief a month ago, after it first came out, and don't have time right now to revisit. But I have the distinct impression that...
odell mcguire
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Jun 8, 2003 1:21 pm
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... Following G.A. Van den Bergh van Eysinga , i see it coming from semi-gnostic circels in the second quarter of the second century, and gradually catholised...
... That epistle even predates Christianity. Therapeutae or other diaspora Jewish mystery cults may have given up on the outer expressions of the law when the...
As a layman who's followed this forum for a couple of years now, I'm still puzzled by the late dating of Thomas. I got interested in this topic after reading...
Michael Mozina
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Jun 8, 2003 7:06 pm
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Of the canonical gospels, only in GJohn is Thomas given a talking part. Of course there is the doubting Thomas of ch 21. But he also speaks in ch 11 where he...
... see logion 65, where the benevolent owner (God) of the wineyard sends his servants (prophets of the Tanakh) to the landworkers (people of Israel), in order...
Dear Steve, list: ... Pagels comments on the passage. She interprets it negatively--says it indicates that Thomas does not believe Jesus--and gives a...
odell mcguire
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Jun 8, 2003 11:25 pm
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Another persuasive point: Three times Thomas speaks in the GJohn (11.14, 16.5, and the Doubting Thomas pericope). All three times it is in the context of the...
... that'd be Barnabas. Barsabbas is the guy who drank lethal poison without being harmed. ... Following Couchoud "La Premie`re E'dition de St. Paul" and Van...
... The second occurrence is 14.5, not 16.5, and it's not clear to me that that this one is "in the context of the resurrection". Thomas is made to say, "Lord...
Hi Andrew, You say... E.g. in saying 14 a reference to healing the sick occurs which is irrelevant in its context in Thomas but makes perfect sense in the...
... wrote: Michael Grondin writes: <snip> ... remembering ... Why ... and the one ... tomb? ... alone ... Charlesworth wonders what, exactly, the beloved...
... As well he should, since in chapter 21, Simon Peter asks concerning the BD, "What about this *man*?" And Jesus responds, "If I want *him* to remain until I...
