I am not certain how many members of this list would claim to be proficient in both Coptic and in classical / ancient Greek (or ancient Hebrew for that matter)...
Logion 52 of the Coptic Gospel of Thomas reads as follows: His disciples said to Him, "Twenty-four prophets spoke in Israel, and all of them spoke in You." He...
INTRODUCTION Let us look at Thomas 12: The disciples said to Jesus, "We know that you will depart from us. Who is to be our leader?" Jesus said to them,...
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Jul 18, 2007 8:31 pm
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... Frank: ... a lot of good excavation work in your note, but I am left wondering somewhat if we don't yet have a few basic Sitz im Lieben issues to resolve...
... Maurice - I'm a little gobsmacked at this. I can't imagine any credible scholar suggesting that Thomas is or was ever intended to be a literal accounting...
... going ... or ... Hello Jordan, and thank you for your thoughts ... The idea I am trying to capsulize about logion 12 is that like logion 114, it appears...
Maurice: Regarding Thomas 12, you state: For example, while the James "the righteous" (or James the Just) referred to in this logion is widely believed to have...
Frank McCoy
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Jul 20, 2007 1:55 pm
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... etc, etc, etc ... Hello Frank ... Thank you for your follow-up on logion 12. Your material is always deep rooted and challenging. Regarding your James "the...
His disciples said, when will you be revealed to us and when shall we see you. "When you disrobe without being ashamed and and take up your garments and place...
Jonathon Z. Smith also held to this belief, but I don't have the reference readily available. Jim Bauer ... From: danw888 To: gthomas@yahoogroups.com Sent:...
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Jul 25, 2007 5:16 am
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... Hi Dan, My experience is about 5 years on the non-scholars GTh list and we have discussed this saying. Baptism has the significance of "removing sin"...
A. Introduction In post #7529, it is argued that the earliest Jesus Assembly in Jerusalem was divided into two main groups: 1. the Hebrews: They were behind...
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Jul 26, 2007 5:16 pm
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Frank, I am not a scholar, but how could James be a Hellenist ? wouldn't that also make Jesus a Hellenist? It seems it would be an easier task to make Paul or...
David Arbuckle: You write, "I am not a scholar, but how could James be a Hellenist ? wouldn't that also make Jesus a Hellenist?" If James had been a Hellenist,...
Frank McCoy
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Jul 27, 2007 4:16 pm
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... Nazareth was near sepphoris, The Greek showcase city of Herod It was heavily Hellenistic influenced. Nazareth is less than 2 miles a way.. Regards, ...
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Jul 28, 2007 5:58 am
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... John ... ... could you elaborate a bit. There seems to be two schools of thought on this, one suggesting that Nazareth never existed in Jesus' time, and...
Hi John, Maurice, According to James Tabor (The Jesus Dynasty) recent archaeological evidence seems to confirm there was a small village there in Jesus' day....
... archaeological evidence seems to confirm there was a small village there in Jesus' day. ... Hello Ron ... Good read ... but Tabor refers to "a small...
Hi Again Maurice, Thanks for your note. Jack Kilmon, of this list, has , for many years advocated a scenario similar to what Tabor presents, with perhaps the...
... Though technically this is off topic, I'll respond this once then end the thread Only in relation the Hellenistic influence of The area. Interesting, but...
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Jul 29, 2007 3:55 am
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If baptism is an initial stage, an initiation, a beginning process of evolving spiritually than one would not be ready to stand naked before God at such an...
Hi Ron, I think the term "Hellenist" as used by Frank has to be distinguished from a term designating persons influenced by "Hellenism" such as by language...
In a post of 7-29-2007, David Hindley writes: I think the term "Hellenist" as used by Frank has to be distinguished from a term designating persons influenced...
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Jul 29, 2007 6:40 pm
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I've been running some searches to understand #37 better I like Ron McCann explanation in message 5104 very much: 2) Next we have the three point answer. 1)...
Do remember our good Puritan heritage. We tend to judge things based on these long established values and some 1800 years of NT theology; which is not the...
... This gives us the Thomasine idea of what 'becoming a little child again' means (you can put your clothes under your feet like little children and trample...
This is the X-ian interpretation of baptism. The Mandaens claimed to be the original religion founded by John the Baptist. I'm not a scholar, need to rely on...
Jim Bauer
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Jul 30, 2007 8:49 pm
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My own view of this logion is that it does not relate to any actual baptism ritual. As Toli suggested, we are looking at a new theology in Thomas, and this...
... baptism ritual. As Toli suggested, we are looking at a new theology in Thomas, and this logion merely sets out one priciple of the Thomasines (Thomasites?)...
Thanks, Dave. I see now I wasn't understanding Frank's use of "Hellenist". Appreciate the heads-up. Frank, not to deprecate the detailed work you have done...
