When Margaret posted the note about her book, it piqued my interest, so I went and got a copy. I've gone through it now, and thought I'd post my thoughts on...
Chuq Von Rospach
chuqui@...
Oct 3, 2000 9:37 pm
10477
it's finally finished, so I can pass around pointers to it. I've redone all my hockey stuff into its own site, <http://www.hockeyfanz.com/>. this is more than...
Chuq Von Rospach
chuqui@...
Oct 18, 2000 6:10 am
10478
problem: Many list servers add some sort of loop trapping header, but at least one service provider adds identical headers to every email originated by any...
SRE
eckert@...
Oct 22, 2000 3:17 pm
10479
... Well, just trapping ANY x*loop header certainly stops loops! It also stops a bunch of autoresponders that follow the convention of putting loop headers in....
SRE
eckert@...
Oct 24, 2000 2:17 am
10480
I don't recall seeing this topic discussed here and I'm very interested in what folks think about this issue. Memail.com has just begun switching their elists...
James M Galvin
galvin@...
Oct 24, 2000 2:17 pm
10481
... I'm planning on doing this, too. ... I think that's a false assumption that you're filtering on. Instead, I test to see if something is a list, by testing...
Chuq Von Rospach
chuqui@...
Oct 24, 2000 3:41 pm
10482
... I think that's a false assumption that you're filtering on. Instead, I test to see if something is a list, by testing whether the list server sets an...
James M Galvin
galvin@...
Oct 24, 2000 4:48 pm
10483
... It's resource-intensive to do it that way, rather than bulk delivery of the same message to many people, so I doubt it will become a trend. I agree that...
SRE
eckert@...
Oct 24, 2000 5:05 pm
10484
... It's resource-intensive to do it that way, rather than bulk delivery of the same message to many people, so I doubt it will become a trend. Actually, it's...
James M Galvin
galvin@...
Oct 24, 2000 5:19 pm
10485
Everything you say is true Mitch, but going back to a comment I made to Chuq, the slippery slope we are on is that there is no standard way to filter. For...
James M Galvin
galvin@...
Oct 24, 2000 5:34 pm
10486
... it's already a trend. give it another year and it'll be quite common. -- Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui@...) Apple Mail...
Chuq Von Rospach
chuqui@...
Oct 24, 2000 5:54 pm
10487
... we could argue, but IMHO, you'd lose, and IYHO, I'd lose, probably. you're making the assumption, and I don't buy it, that if someone is being sent...
Chuq Von Rospach
chuqui@...
Oct 24, 2000 6:13 pm
10488
First, I apologize for being imprecise when speaking of the message TO header. I meant it to include both TO and CC message headers, and explicitly not to...
James M Galvin
galvin@...
Oct 24, 2000 6:57 pm
10489
I really like your analogy to postal mail: 1. personal email 2. non-specific junk email 3. specific junk email I had not considered that model before and it...
James M Galvin
galvin@...
Oct 24, 2000 7:25 pm
10490
... I'm rather suprised nobody's fought to standardize this (but no, I don't plan on it). it would be a good thing to do, especially if the standardization...
Chuq Von Rospach
chuqui@...
Oct 24, 2000 8:12 pm
10491
... I love analogies (and I know they drive some folks crazy...) because they help us map new things into the space of the known world -- not just by...
Chuq Von Rospach
chuqui@...
Oct 24, 2000 8:23 pm
10492
Perhaps someone could explain to me how this works: if I send a message to a person, and cc the mailing list, or if I send a message "to:" two mailing lists...
Bernie Cosell
bernie@...
Oct 24, 2000 8:52 pm
10493
... What is VERP? That's an acronym I haven't seen before. ... That sounds nice, except that 50-75% of mail readers in common use cannot filter based on the...
Jim Trigg
blaise@...
Oct 24, 2000 9:17 pm
10494
... I'm rather suprised nobody's fought to standardize this (but no, I don't plan on it). At this point, the principal problem would be that the varied uses...
James M Galvin
galvin@...
Oct 24, 2000 9:21 pm
10495
Perhaps someone could explain to me how this works: if I send a message to a person, and cc the mailing list, or if I send a message "to:" two mailing lists...
James M Galvin
galvin@...
Oct 24, 2000 9:53 pm
10496
But to play games with terminology, when I'm putting the address in the "to:" line, I'm not steaming open the envelope. I'm attaching a mailing label to the...
James M Galvin
galvin@...
Oct 24, 2000 10:13 pm
10497
... And you're correct, of course. Mail sent "to" a mailing list address such as list-managers@... is not sent to any individual, but to the...
Rich Kulawiec
rsk@...
Oct 24, 2000 10:21 pm
10498
... I completely agree. The newbies running many of the mailing lists out there are either not thinking through all of the issues *or* are selfish enough to...
Rich Kulawiec
rsk@...
Oct 24, 2000 10:37 pm
10499
... If it's an optional superset, it's not a huge deal. But now you start to see why I said I wasn't going ot fight this fight.. (grin) ... I do not know of a...
Chuq Von Rospach
chuqui@...
Oct 24, 2000 10:48 pm
10500
... here's a reasonable explanation: <http://www.ornl.gov/its/archives/mailing-lists/qmail/1997/03/msg00164.html> Basically, it's setting the return envelope...
Chuq Von Rospach
chuqui@...
Oct 24, 2000 11:00 pm
10501
... Popularized by Usenet? Huh? Precedence has never been a Usenet header that I've ever seen. The oldest use of precedence that I'm aware of is that...
Russ Allbery
rra@...
Oct 25, 2000 5:48 am
10502
... RFC 822 specifies the format of messages for a communications protocol between hosts. Once you've got the message in your hot little hands and you're...
Russ Allbery
rra@...
Oct 25, 2000 5:57 am
10503
... In general, I think altering any of the original headers in a message is bad and should be avoided whenever possible. (which is pretty much always, in my...
Gerald Oskoboiny
gerald@...
Oct 25, 2000 6:48 am
10504
... No, that's not what I'm saying. I have no problem with adding features that allow more advanced users to use them while less advanced users can't. I have...
Jim Trigg
blaise@...
Oct 25, 2000 3:11 pm
10505
... no, not only. Perhaps official is the better term. Of course, if you have a better way of doing it, we're all ears... -- Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks...
