Just FYI -- we probably all know home.com's been flakey recently. For the last couple of hours, it's been barfing seriously. I'm seeing a large stream of mail...
Chuq Von Rospach
chuqui@...
Dec 2, 2000 8:51 am
10637
I somewhat hesitate to bring this up, but I heard of another situation today that seems to fit in, and I think it's time to raise the issue. I'm beginning to...
Chuq Von Rospach
chuqui@...
Dec 9, 2000 9:32 am
10638
... If the mailing list or site is a big enough target, and you're able to create an account to process mail-back validations, there's no reason why you...
murr rhame
murr@...
Dec 9, 2000 1:50 pm
10639
Something that came up on the mailman list... ... Ya know, I hadn't thought of that -- I've wokred at closing off my list archives from the spam harvesters,...
Chuq Von Rospach
chuqui@...
Dec 9, 2000 5:09 pm
10640
... That won't help --- if the spammer just uses the on-list-account to harvest addresses [perhaps even using the archives to get a *bunch* in a hurry] and...
Bernie Cosell
bernie@...
Dec 9, 2000 6:27 pm
10641
On Sat, 9 Dec 2000 07:57:14 -0500 (EST) ... It only requires one who then sells his code to others. ... Given the rate at which porn is moving offshor,...
J C Lawrence
claw@...
Dec 9, 2000 6:42 pm
10642
On Sat, 9 Dec 2000 00:22:39 -0800 ... I've written on this before to the Mailman lists. I have similar suspicions. Like you I have no smoking guns, but I...
J C Lawrence
claw@...
Dec 9, 2000 6:57 pm
10643
... man, you're right. Now I have a headache... (grin, sort of) -- Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui@...) Apple Mail List...
Chuq Von Rospach
chuqui@...
Dec 9, 2000 7:45 pm
10644
I'm beginning to think that mailback validation as an anti-spam technique has been beaten. Worse, I think there are now spam systems written that will beat...
James M Galvin
galvin@...
Dec 9, 2000 8:25 pm
10645
... If the problem gets really bad, you can use the next level of subscription security, require an application. Ask a few simple questions that show the...
murr rhame
murr@...
Dec 9, 2000 9:09 pm
10646
... As long as they have US assets, they are subject to US judgments. Does anyone know if spam rates are stable, declining or on the rise? The amount of spam...
murr rhame
murr@...
Dec 9, 2000 9:23 pm
10647
... Lyris has a optional feature that requires a subscriber password for posting. The subscriber includes their personal list password at the start of the...
murr rhame
murr@...
Dec 9, 2000 9:41 pm
10648
... All of the lists we host that have unmoderated posting for even some subscribers require the moderator to approve subscribers before they are added. One of...
Sharon Tucci
sharon@...
Dec 9, 2000 10:41 pm
10649
... I can believe it, but only because too many mailback schemes are broken. I run a bunch of autoresponders, and I can't tell you how many of them have ...
John R Levine
johnl@...
Dec 9, 2000 11:10 pm
10650
... I've been mulling this over all day, and I have a couple of ideas on it. I'm sure they're not original, but they might open up concepts for MLM authors to...
Chuq Von Rospach
chuqui@...
Dec 9, 2000 11:57 pm
10651
... I have so many filters on my in-house accounts that I can't tell, but on an account I have on a local ISP spam which I very seldom send e-mail or post to...
Mike Nolan
nolan@...
Dec 10, 2000 12:21 am
10652
In my humble opinion, the primary purpose of mailback validation to prevent someone from being subscribed to a mailing list against their will (email bombing)....
murr rhame
murr@...
Dec 10, 2000 12:49 am
10653
... On another list I'm on, which is a social/news-discussion list largely composed of people who have been on the Net a quite a while, the subject came up,...
Michael C. Berch
mcb@...
Dec 10, 2000 1:24 am
10654
... That's my take on it as well. To the extent that it also discourages spammers from trying to harvest mail coming off of lists, that's nice but is hardly...
Tim Pierce
twp@...
Dec 10, 2000 3:09 am
10655
On Sat, 9 Dec 2000 15:20:08 -0800 ... Does anyone here have contacts at AOL? I used to know people in their NOC and in their IS team (which doesn't really...
J C Lawrence
claw@...
Dec 10, 2000 5:33 am
10656
... Agreed. And what I see is more spam that's well-formed, in that it's hard to tell that it's spam other than looking at the content and saying "I say this...
Chuq Von Rospach
chuqui@...
Dec 10, 2000 5:52 am
10657
... I'd say it's up to the list admin. that's the advantage of allowing the admin to approve given IP addresses as approved addresses for that email. it can be...
Chuq Von Rospach
chuqui@...
Dec 10, 2000 5:59 am
10658
looking at my queues, hotmail.com is offline. And I went and did aquick check, both from home and work, and it seems that www.hotmail.com and their DNS is DOA,...
Chuq Von Rospach
chuqui@...
Dec 10, 2000 6:43 am
10659
Sorry to be flippant, but "good". Now only yahoo.com and ilk to hope for. My rather bitchy remark has to do with the other threads re spam and list membership,...
Peter Galbavy
peter.galbavy@...
Dec 10, 2000 10:50 am
10660
I believe that the mail back feature is to prevent someone from being joined to a list without their consent which would fill up their mailbox with unwanted...
Richard Klein
rich@...
Dec 10, 2000 2:03 pm
10661
... So we have one form of mail bombing that we can eliminate completely by using mailback. We have another form of mail bombing that isn't effected on way or...
murr rhame
murr@...
Dec 10, 2000 3:55 pm
10662
... Not necessarily. These things are scripted. I've seen evidence that these scripts have been run for periods of time, repeatedly. -- Chuq Von Rospach -...
Chuq Von Rospach
chuqui@...
Dec 10, 2000 5:54 pm
10663
... It appears to be happenstance, but once on a list, it gets very ugly. I get about 30 spams a day from China to my personal mail account and, thankfully,...
Paul Hoffman / IMC
phoffman@...
Dec 10, 2000 6:13 pm
10664
... And? The attacker has to remain vigilant and creates more of an audit trail that can get him whacked. Without mailback validation, he could sign someone...
Tim Pierce
twp@...
Dec 10, 2000 6:24 pm
10665
... Moreover, Chuq is talking about sending someone 1,000 copies of an info file *once*. Mailbacks prevent maliciously subscribing someone to 1,000 lists,...
