A couple of comments on a very interesting conversation. My own candidate for the most difficult section (not necessarily the most cryptic - a very different...
LLOYD MITCHELL
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Mar 29, 2008 11:35 pm
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Hello Lloyd, A couple of comments here, too, and perhaps too truncated. ... in Book ... oiden, ... I'm not ... between ... rendering ... help at ... work at ...
... If one ignores what is truly most ... Hi, I thought this must be a most difficult section since Socrates says about the question of the Good: "I fear that...
In this short section we have the 4 terms George and Lloyd mention: the 4 nouns corresponding to the verbs would be: gnosis, episteme, eidos, nous. Bloom...
"No, in the name of Zeus, Socrates," said Glaucon. "You're not going to withdraw when you are, as it were, at the end. It will satisfy us even if you go...
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If this section is difficult, here Socrates is providing his two friends with a very straightforward image, here the first part, an analysis of sight. What's...
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I'd be interested in what some of you think about the differences - and, I guess, similarities - between philosophy and exegesis. What has been appearing on...
Frank - I'm in the middle of reading Drew Hyland's "Finitude and Transcendence in Plato". His basic stance with respect to the dialogues is one that many on...
LLOYD MITCHELL
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Apr 5, 2008 9:25 pm
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Dear Professor Williams, The Free-Lance Academy has a "Plato" list for general discussion, including discussion about the topic you believe is the most...
Dear Professor Williams, Sorry: I hit send too soon. More later. George ... von Williams, Frank ... philosophy ... seems to ... and not ... Plato e-list. ... ...
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It seems to me that exegesis leads to a from of deconstruction of a dialogue, an impossibility of constructing a philosophical view, except perhaps Socrates'...
Thomas, Yes! Not that I am averse to some exegesis, but I do endorse trying to construct one's own system, motivated and inspired (rightly or wrongly,...
De : George Gregory ... I'll not be up to it, and in my eagerness I'll cut a graceless figure and have to pay the penalty by suffering ridicule. But, you ...
Hello Thomas, So we are back to de-constructing and exegesis, huh? Jokes aside. No, I am afraid not, no Socrates does not say he has an opinion and he does not...
"Well, then," I said, "say that the sun is the offspring of the good I mean-an offspring the good begot in a proportion with itself. as the good is in the...
Hello Thomas, ... known", and ... does it ... sun? If ... claimed to ... I suggest we do not have different "opinions" about what Socrates said. I suggest that...
... Oh? What about 509e?: Socrates: "Therefore, say that what provides the truth to the things known and gives the power to the one who knows, is the idea of...
Hello Thomas, I thought we were agreed that it is illicit to copy out a line Socrates speaks and attribute to him as his opinion or view (or Plato's) because...
Hi George, of course it would be absurd to imagine Plato's view, and as to Socrates he is but a character in the dialogue, a character who speaks to make us...
Hi George, you may have been puzzled by this: Bloom's translation is based on a revision of the "best manuscripts", by replacing the genitive with an...
Hello thomas, I suggest that Leroux and Bloom are wrong and that the last expression is not redundant, but necessary. One way to clarify that for yourself is...
Hi George, ... It seems to me that Shorey's translation would be coherent if the text ended like this: "This reality, then, that gives their truth to the...
Hello Thomas, ... coherent if ... objects of ... must say is the ... Are you serious, or is this a typographical error? Ideal? and you must conceive it as...
If I return to the text (here by Bloom): "Therefore, say that what provides the truth to the things known and gives the power to the one who knows, is the idea...
