Stella, in my message to Betty I avoided entirely this aspect you write about. But this is just a "technical" point. As I view it, to be the analyst of a...
davy@...
Apr 2, 2005 12:09 pm
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testing ... From: <mikeigen@...> To: <winnicott@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [winnicott] thinking about the use of...
Dear Betty: The central point in Winnicott's paper "The Use of an Object", and the one that is the least commented, is the idea of 'putting the analyst out of...
davy@...
Apr 2, 2005 12:09 pm
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... From: Davy To: bergerb@... Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 4:02 PM Subject: Use of the Object Please, Betty, send those messages to the group. I...
Dear Betty and all. You said: also when the patient expected from the therapist an attack because his bad experiences in the past, This made me remember what...
Dear Group, This is my first posting, although I have been an interested and appreciative reader of the group exchanges for some time. In preparing what I...
Davy, I love your voice. I always read yout "takes" with interest. I am leaving for Rome. Not to the Pope's funeral , although I will soak up the vibes. I will...
mikeigen@...
Apr 3, 2005 8:04 pm
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Dear Davy: Your words make me feel proud of being your firend. Andrés Andrés Nelken anelken@... 4782-9583 ... From: <davy@...> To:...
Carol-Ann, You are asking a huge question here, and a difficult one because what is relational to one person is not to another. There is a both a broad and...
Franksum@...
Apr 5, 2005 8:11 am
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Many thanks, Mike. I'll do my best to get the book and read it. I'm curious about how do you manage to think Bion and Winnicott at the same life. You show it...
Davy
davy@...
Apr 5, 2005 8:13 am
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In a message dated 4/5/05 4:15:50 AM, davy@... writes: << Beware some statues over there. They use to turn people's mind adrift and may cause them...
mikeigen@...
Apr 5, 2005 12:34 pm
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Frank and Carol-Ann: I'll make another stab at this. I'll suggest that the use of the term "relational" is more political than substantive. It reflects the...
Joel, I do not agree with you that "relational" is more political than substantive. Not being a relationalist (in the narrow sense), I find it a little ...
Franksum@...
Apr 5, 2005 10:43 pm
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Frank: I am not suggesting that the relational theorists are not substantive; I have great respect for them. My reflection concerned the establishment of a...
Dear Frank and Joel, I want to thank you both for generously taking on my broad question. Having come of age as a clinician when the "relational" is the term...
Dears: A student I supervise have to write about a case of male homosexuality in an adolescent with perverse features of voyeurism, exhibitionism ; his family,...
Carol-Anne, thanks for your comments. I think you raise a critical question, ie, what's at stake here? It is certainly one of the debilitating ...
Franksum@...
Apr 16, 2005 4:53 pm
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Are you aware of the work of Emmanuel Ghent, particularly his 1990 article, "Masochism, submission, surrender: Masochism as a perversion of surrender" in...
Nancy Silva, LCSW
SilvaLCSW@...
Apr 18, 2005 1:47 am
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thank you,Nancy! I think that article may be very usefull to "put in words" my understanding a patient with masochistic sexual practices who I am working...
Betty, In my view, the best psychoanalytic understanding of domination and submission is Jessica Benjamin's The Bonds of Love, while the focus is on female ...
Franksum@...
Apr 18, 2005 6:51 pm
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In a message dated 4/16/05 12:53:51 Eastern Daylight Time, Franksum@... ... Therefore, one might wish to analyze the psychic roots of this need for "faith"...
psycheculture@...
Apr 19, 2005 1:55 am
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Recent Developments in Relational Psychoanalysis Jessica Benjamin and Michael Eigen Michael Moskowitz (Moderator) (Please forward to interested colleagues and...
mikeigen@...
Apr 19, 2005 11:39 am
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Dear Frank, You now have me wondering about the possibility of different attachment styles in play between adherents and their theories. I'm wondering if, in...
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Hi Betty, As you have access to articles in hebrew, you may look at Ofra Eshel's paper in Sichot-dialogue on : Pentheus rather than Oedipus: On perversion,...
Noy-Sharav
salo@...
Apr 19, 2005 6:52 pm
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Carol-Ann, You add an interesting perspective to what I'm saying. Theory can either be a tool for thought or an imprisonment to avoid it. Attachment theory...
Franksum@...
Apr 20, 2005 8:14 am
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Richard, I agree with you. Psychoanalysis most certainly should be applied to understanding this phenomenon, rather than falling prey to it as the field has...
